Trayvon II, Can It Happen Again

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  1. booybob

    booybob Well-Known Member Banned User

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    So, A DRUNK AND HIGH urban youth is banging on your door at 4-5am and your not supposed to be scared IN DETROIT.
    I guess a locked screen door is going to keep away the thugs and criminals that are usually out at this time of night.
    If they guy was smart he would make sure he tell the cops and the media over and over again that he told her to leave and was armed and if she didn't leave he would shoot.

    Would you open up your door at 4am to let an urban youth or any youth into your home for anything, Let alone if you lived IN DETROIT.


    DETROIT (AP) — The way Renisha Marie McBride's young life ended Nov. 2 is not in dispute: A homeowner in suburban Detroit fatally shot the 19-year-old in the face as she stood on his porch before the sun came up.
    Almost every other aspect of the case is not as clear-cut.
    Did race play a role in the shooting? What exactly happened on that doorstep? Did the homeowner reasonably believe he was acting in self-defense?
    Police and prosecutors say Theodore Paul Wafer fired once with a 12-gauge shotgun through his screen door at McBride.
    The 54-year-old airport maintenance employee, who faces murder and manslaughter charges, is free on bail awaiting a Dec. 18 hearing that will determine if the case should go to trial.
    Ron Bretz, a Cooley Law School professor and former criminal defense attorney, says the case may boil down to a single word.
    "It's got to be reasonable," he said. "The question is: What would a reasonable person do in these circumstances?"
    That may be the key question in determining Wafer's guilt or innocence, but much else is left unknown about a case that features legal and societal implications.
    SELF-DEFENSE
    Under a 2006 Michigan self-defense law, a homeowner has the right to use force during a break-in. Otherwise, a person must show that his or her life was in danger.

    Defense lawyers are expected to argue that Wafer feared for his life when a drunken McBride — toxicology reports put her blood-alcohol content at well above the legal limit for driving — came to his door in the middle of the night hours after crashing her car blocks away in Detroit. Those factors contribute to Wafer's "very strong defense," said his lawyer, Mack Carpenter.

    Prosecutors and McBride's family, meanwhile, see no justification for the slaying of the recent high school graduate. She was unarmed, they note. Plus, the screen door Wafer fired through was locked.
    "Where's his reasonable belief that his life was in jeopardy or that he was in jeopardy of great bodily harm?" said lawyer Gerald Thurswell, who represents McBride's family.
    It all comes down to what a jury thinks, Bretz said.
    "You've got a gun. There's an unarmed young woman on your front porch," he said. "Is it reasonable to think that she's a threat to you? That's going to be a toughie.
    "Is it fair to feel scared when a stranger is pounding on your door at 4 or 5 in the morning? Hell, yeah. ... Don't answer the door," Bretz said.

    RACE
    The shooting has drawn attention from civil rights groups who called for an investigation and believe race was a factor — McBride was black; Wafer is white. imagine that

    Some drew comparisons with the case of Trayvon Martin, the black teen fatally shot last year in Florida. In that case, Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder.
    Bretz said both sides would be wise to stick to a "race-neutral" strategy. "Don't go there. Keep it on the facts," he said.
    "Who wants to bring race into it? Everybody else. ... The defense doesn't want that. And the prosecution doesn't want to bring it in. I don't think they need to."

    Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy didn't appear to completely rule it out Friday.
    "In this case, the charging decision has nothing whatever to do with the race of the parties," she said. "Whether it becomes relevant later on in the case, I don't know. I'm not clairvoyant."
    THE MISSING HOURS
    McBride crashed her 2004 Ford Taurus into a parked car in Detroit, blocks away from Wafer's home, around 1:30 a.m., according to the Dearborn Heights police report.
    What isn't known is how McBride spent the time between the crash and the shooting. Wafer called 911 at 4:42 a.m., but it's not clear when he fired the fatal shot.
    "We assume she was looking for help," said Thurswell, who also put forward a theory from one of McBride's two sisters, who said a drunken and disoriented McBride may have believed she was knocking on the door of her family's home since both that residence and Wafer's are corner lots.
    Bretz said a potential defense argument is that McBride's extreme drunkenness posed a threat.
    "Was she acting crazy? If so ... this gave (Wafer) a greater right to be afraid," Bretz said.
    The toxicology report also indicated McBride's blood tested positive for the active ingredients in marijuana.

    McBride's family said it doesn't matter, but Bretz said he could see the defense focusing attention on McBride's behavior.
    "It makes her out not to be an angel. She got drunk and stoned and drove and crashed her car. But that's not a death-penalty offense," he said.
    WAFER AND MCBRIDE
    McBride's father, Walter Ray Simmons, referred to the defendant as "Mr. Wafer" when he talked to reporters Friday.
    He then stopped: "I don't even know why I'm saying 'Mr. Wafer.' This monster who killed my daughter."

    Earlier Friday, at his arraignment, Wafer stood in a Dearborn Heights courtroom and listened as Carpenter argued for a lesser bail amount.
    Carpenter described Wafer as a steadily employed high school graduate who spent a year at Northern Michigan University and whose only run-ins with the law involved a couple of decades-old drunken driving cases. Wafer cares for his 81-year-old mother, Carpenter said.
    Fellow defense lawyer Cheryl Carpenter said her client has been affected by the case.
    "You could see it is weighing on him, and he realizes the extent of what happened that night," she said outside of court.
    "This is part of the problem with this case. There's been so much prejudgment and so much speculation," Cheryl Carpenter said. "Until we get all the facts out, and we don't even have all of the facts yet."
    McBride's parents are left to wonder what could have been.
    Simmons said his daughter, a 2012 Southfield High School graduate who loved cheerleading and soccer, was going back to school and had dreams of becoming a nurse, or possibly pursuing a career in the automotive field.
    "She deserves to be right here today with her family," said McBride's mother, Monica McBride, who wore a pin that read: "R.I.P. Nene."
     
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    The news reported that He said the gun accidentally went off.
     
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    Oh, murder to manslaughter.
    damn shame that he is probably going to jail for a long time because of an accident.
     
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    I agree.
    too many words....ain't reading.
     
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    Read it - it's completely different than the GZ/TM case. The only vague similarity is that the person being shot was blaek.
     
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    If she wouldn't have gotten all fucked up and crashed her car then she wouldn't have ever been on his doorstep to get shot. Instead of banging on doors in a drunken stupor why not just call 911 from her car? If she was too fucked up to know where she was (like the story says) then isn't it possible she was running her mouth and acting crazy like a lot of fucked up people will do and scared the guy who had his 81 year old mother in the house? Her father calls the guy a murderer and I bet nobody asks him where he was while his kid was doing dope ,drinking and crashing cars at 130 am.:dontknow:
     
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    Trayvonn Martin was neither drunk nor high when he was murdered by that wanna be cop, Zimmerman. May Zimmerman's soul burn in Hell for it.
     
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    This is all you need to know:



    A DRUNK AND HIGH urban youth Renisha Marie McBride

    toxicology reports put her blood-alcohol content at well above the legal limit for driving

    stranger is pounding on your door at 4 or 5 in the morning

    McBride's blood tested positive for the active ingredients in marijuana.



    Theodore Paul Wafer fired once with a 12-gauge shotgun through his screen door at McBride.


    :coffee:
     
  10. MyLazyHand

    MyLazyHand Russia and France Know What to Do

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    Just like with Trayvon, it's EXPECTED that the black youth will be doing something violent or crazy. If you respond in a questionable fashion, it's your fault for not appreciating that the youth are just being what is expected of them.


    It's a little bit like expecting the lion from the zoo to show up in your life and you need to decide what to do next.
     
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    MyLazyHand Russia and France Know What to Do

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    Yes, if only Zimmerman had just allowed Trayvon to keep pounding his head into the pavement like a good citizen.


    You're a moron.
     
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    Yup!

    The only thing they forgot to say was that she was an honor student and taught Sunday school. :facepalm:

    I wonder if she would have learned in her Nurse Automotive classes that drinking and driving isn't recommended??
     
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    :umatrix::umatrix::umatrix::umatrix:

    Bold Words

    :umatrix::umatrix::umatrix::umatrix:
     
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    Tommy New Member Banned User

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    If Zimmerman had done what he was instructed to by the 911 dispatcher, he would have been a good citizen. Instead, he chased a kid through a neighborhood in the rain, with a gun.
     
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    MyLazyHand Russia and France Know What to Do

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    Yes, and the kid VIOLENTLY ATTACKED HIM because he thought Zimmerman was gay.

    So what you're saying is that black kids are very violent and you should keep your distance from them. That's what you're saying. Unless you're suggesting it's fine to slam a stranger's head into the ground if you think he's following you.

    Either way, it's an idiotic argument.
     
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    Why do everyone be obsessed with race? (If the zimmerman case races were reversed, 80%+ of people would have opposite opinions)

    If someone of any color knocking is at your door at 4am, just don't answer if you are that concerned. Go back to watching your weight loss infomercial while eating stale cheetos.


    I personally answer, because it's usually one of my drunk friends bringing pizza and wanting to play madden football.
     
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    No, stupid.

    Zimmerman didn't have the right nor the authority to disregard 911 instructions and persue a kid in the rain, who was only walking home from the convenience store.

    the kid wasn't doing anything illegal.

    So, you think the kid attacked him because he thought Zimmerman was gay? well, I got news for you: I live a stone's throw from Sanford and followed this case since it was a teenager missing person's case. at no point was that an argument.

    But let's take a step back: everything that happened from the point that Zim got out of his vehicle to the point where the neighbors heard a shot was ONLY Zimmerman's version of the story.

    And of course, he's not going to say anything that would incriminate him. In fact, he's a notorious liar. So, he lied his way out of jail, but the fact remains that if he followed the 911 dispatcher's instructions, Trayvonn would still be alive.

    But Zim has already had run-ins with the law, so it's just a matter of time before he lands in jail, where he belongs.
     
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    This shows how little people know about that case - even now. The reality is that the dispatcher first told GZ to keep an eye on TM, that's why he went to the sidewalk corner. Then, when the dispatcher told him not to follow, he started back to his truck. That's when TM confronted him.

    Listen to the entire call (not just snippets), it's pretty clear.
     
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    Up to this point, this has NEVER been reported.
     
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    chapped Well-Known Member

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