Politics Trump vs Sanders? SuperDelegates Reconsidering After Bernie Erases Hillary's Calif 15pt Lead

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  1. OV

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    Bernie Sanders looked as if he would limp into the California primary and watch his upset bid over Hillary Clinton fizzle, but a surge in the polls and rumblings that superdelegates committed to Clinton may be showing hesitation has given his campaign new energy.

    In recent weeks, Clinton appeared to hold a wide lead over Sanders in the Golden State. Polls showed her lead to be somewhere in the range of 15 to 18 points over Bernie Sanders, pointing to a win that would seal the nomination, thanks to Clinton’s big lead in the party-picked superdelegates, many of whom committed to her before a single vote was cast this year.

    The past week saw an abrupt change, however. The latest set of polls from California showed the two candidates in a dead heat, and a new USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll this week found that Sanders had actually taken a slim lead.

    The Los Angeles Times noted that support for Bernie Sanders in California appears to be deep, as he has cut into demographics once held tightly by Clinton, including Latino and Asian voters.

    A narrow win in California would not be enough for Bernie Sanders to erase Hillary Clinton’s wide lead in delegates, but there are signs that it could turn the tide in the race. Hillary Clinton has faced growing problems from her email scandal, with an ongoing FBI investigation into her unauthorized use of a private email server during her time as Secretary of State and a recent State Department inspector general’s report that slammed her for violating policy regarding the server.

    There is a growing sentiment that a win in California for Sanders — especially one by a healthy margin — could be a race-changing moment. Douglas E. Schoen of the Wall Street Journal wrote that a win by Sanders would underscore Clinton’s weaknesses and could give superdelegates the justification they need to change to Sanders. It could also give way to a giant shift at this summer’s Democratic National Convention, Schoen wrote.

    “A Sanders win in California would powerfully underscore Mrs. Clinton’s weakness as a candidate in the general election. Democratic superdelegates—chosen by the party establishment and overwhelmingly backing Mrs. Clinton, 543-44—would seriously question whether they should continue to stand behind her candidacy.”

    “There is every reason to believe that at the convention Mr. Sanders will offer a rules change requiring superdelegates to vote for the candidate who won their state’s primary or caucus. A vote on that proposed change would almost certainly occur—and it would function as a referendum on the Clinton candidacy. If Mr. Sanders wins California, Montana and North Dakota on Tuesday and stays competitive in New Jersey, he could well be within 200 pledged delegates of Mrs. Clinton, making a vote in favor of the rules change on superdelegates more likely.”

    This is no longer a hypothetical argument, either. David Shuster reported this week that many superdelegates are already preparing to leave Hillary Clinton and move to Sanders if he wins in California. So far, none have changed to the Sanders camp, but if there is growing concern among superdelegates, it could just take a handful changing sides to give others on the fence the justification they need to leave the troubled frontrunner.


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    broccoli rob thanks for the memories DW3

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    Go Bernie Go.. A vote for Billary is vote for President trump..
     
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    dawg In The Dog House Staff Member

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    where are these polls? a search on google yields nothing.
     
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    dawg In The Dog House Staff Member

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    ahh, never mind, found it



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    No doubt Trump beating Clinton in many polls is making democrats rethink the strategy of voting for Clinton because she'll win in November. This year Republicans decided to vote their beliefs and wound up choosing an incredibly strong candidate, despite being repeatedly told that he had no chance. Hopefully democrats wake up, learn to vote their conscience and choose Bernie.
     
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    It would be amusing to watch her get so close and get pushed aside again.
     
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    Sanders would crush trump in a general election. Lolz at trump supporters actually rooting for him
     
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    CrucifiedAGT He's Around VIP

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    Im just anti Hillary and anti establishment. We have 3 people running who are making our founding father roll in their graves.

    I can totally buy into a liberal being pro Bernie, but I have no idea why any liberal would say, you know who would be a great POTUS for the 99%? Hillary Clinton.
     
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    I think the general feelings of an average voter are....

    Trump is an outsider, and whether you like what he says or not...he's being honest

    Sanders is a long time Senator, he's a whistle blower type and whether you like what he says or not...he's being honest.

    Hillary is a career politician who will say and do anything to get a vote....and shes an out and out liar.

    I know that's a very simply way of looking at things...but I think people will have a hard time picking Hillary in the end because she is thought to be dishonest, entitled, and a liar.
     
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    And u would be anti Sanders if he got the nomination. Hillary is a centrist. Sanders is a hardcore liberal
     
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    Slow All The Pieces Matter DawgShed News

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    If Bernie forces a contested convention that leaves room for Slippin Joey to slide in.
     
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    Even Hillary isn't sure if she is centrist. And Sanders needs to stop with all the "free" bullshit. Nothing is free...somebody has to pay for the "free" shit. To argue otherwise is absurd.
     
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    Can you list each free item here that he promises? thanks.
     
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    College and healthcare for starters.
     
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    So paying a little more in taxes each is free? Thats a new one on me.

    People just read memes filled with proganda and never bother to look into it. If yu think there is something wrong with trying to make the middle class stronger then there is no discussing it with you

    The typical middle class family would save over $5,000 under this plan.

    Last year, the average working family paid $4,955 in premiums and $1,318 in deductibles to private health insurance companies. Under this plan, a family of four earning $50,000 would pay just $466 per year to the single-payer program, amounting to a savings of over $5,800 for that family each year.

    • A 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers.
      Revenue raised: $630 billion per year.
    • A 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households.
      Revenue raised: $210 billion per year.This year, a family of four taking the standard deduction can have income up to $28,800 and not pay this tax under this plan.
      A family of four making $50,000 a year taking the standard deduction would only pay $466 this year.

    • Progressive income tax rates.
      Revenue raised: $110 billion a year.Under this plan the marginal income tax rate would be:
      • 37 percent on income between $250,000 and $500,000.
      • 43 percent on income between $500,000 and $2 million.
      • 48 percent on income between $2 million and $10 million. (In 2013, only 113,000 households, the top 0.08 percent of taxpayers, had income between $2 million and $10 million.)
      • 52 percent on income above $10 million. (In 2013, only 13,000 households, just 0.01 percent of taxpayers, had income exceeding $10 million.)

      https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/
     
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    I hate Hillary, but I want to see Bill Clinton sitting there as she gets sworn in, and him being "first husband"
     
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    dawg In The Dog House Staff Member

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    Also stopping the federal Government from making a profit off you sounds like a good thing to me



    • STOP THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROM MAKING A PROFIT ON STUDENT LOANS.
    Over the next decade, it has been estimated that the federal government will make a profit of over $110 billion on student loan programs. This is morally wrong and it is bad economics. As President, Sen. Sanders will prevent the federal government from profiteering on the backs of college students and use this money instead to significantly lower student loan interest rates.

    https://berniesanders.com/issues/its-time-to-make-college-tuition-free-and-debt-free/
     
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    I think my taxes are high enough. And I don't think that pouring money into government programs works very well. To each their own...I respect your opinion. I just disagree
     
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