Entertainment Venom movie moving forward....

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  1. chapped

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    It appears that Sony’s Venom movie is far from dead. Back in 2014, ahead of the release of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Sony was deep in development on a series of inter-connected superhero films pulling from their one and only comics source that they own, Spider-Man. The Amazing sequel was to be followed by The Amazing Spider-Man 3, which would then be followed by a big villain-centricSinister Six to be directed by Drew Goddard (The Cabin in the Woods), and then would come Alex Kurtzman’s (Welcome to People) spinoff Venom. But after the release of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, which received rather harsh reviews and the lowest global box office of any Spider-Man movie yet (though $709 million is nothing to scoff at), Sony began to readjust its plans.

    Plans for The Amazing Spider-Man 3 were put on hold as Sony looked for other ways to really explode its superhero universe, with ideas ranging from a female-centric Spidey pic to a film focusing on the adventures of Aunt May. Eventually everything came to a grinding halt as Sony forged an unprecedented deal with Marvel Studios to share the character of Spider-Man in Marvel’s Cinematic Universe while starting from scratch with a new reboot, co-produced by Marvel’s Kevin Feige.

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    So with Tom Holland’s new Spider-Man poised to make his debut in this May’s Captain America: Civil War and a standalone Spider-Man reboot set for release in July 2017, Sony is now moving forward with new franchise plans that are somewhat similar to the old—with one key difference. Per THR, the studio is working on a newVenom movie to be scripted byDante Harper, revolving around the symbiotic Spider-Man villain. However, Venom will be “unrelated” to the upcoming standalone Spider-Man film, as it appears to be unconnected to the Marvel universe.

    Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach are producing Venom, just as they have overseen the Spider-Manfeature film franchise since its inception with 2002’s Spider-Man. Their involvement may signal why Venom won’t be connected to the new Spider-Man movies, but no matter—Venom is intended to launch a franchise of its own.

    It’s unclear what incarnation of the character will be used here, but one imagines they have to go with at least an anti-hero angle, with the decision to move forward with Venom possibly spurred by the success of Fox’s anti-hero pic Deadpool. Sony has been trying to get a Venom movie off the ground for years, with directors likeJosh Trank and Gary Ross previously circling the project. Director Sam Raimifamously (and reluctantly) included the character in Spider-Man 3 at the urging of Arad, and the result was, shall we say, underwhelming.
     
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    unconnected to the Marvel universe == BOMB
     
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    i want to see eddie brock rip people's arms off and kill them with them
     
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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...-horrible-no-good-very-bad-idea/#94bc5513ab49

    A 'Venom' Movie, Minus Spider-Man, Is A Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Idea
    Scott Mendelson - Forbes

    Back in 2014, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was supposed to kick off what amounted to an expanded universe franchise surrounding Peter Parker and his amazing friends. While the Marc Webb film itself was a mostly stand-alone and character-driven affair, the advertising was all about how it was going to set up a Sinister Six movie, a young Aunt Mae spy thriller, and/or a bunch of vaguely related Spider-Man films alongside the conventional sequels. But The Amazing Spider-Man 2 “only” made $708.9 million worldwide on a $250m budget, including a shockingly low $202.8m domestic total off a $91.6m weekend, and eventually Sony’s Peter Parker franchise became just one more would-be interconnected universe that was not to be. Until now…?

    With a new version of Spider-Man, played by Tom Holland, set to be introduced to the Marvel Cinematic Universe in this summer’s Captain America: Civil War, we all probably thought we had dodged a bullet with the so-called expanded Spidey universe. But now comes word that Sony is going ahead with a stand-alone Venom movie. So states The Hollywood Reporter as of Friday afternoon, Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach are producing and overseeing the new film while Dante Harper (Edge of Tomorrow) is allegedly writing the screenplay. Thanks a lot, Deadpool.

    Now to be fair, the Venom character, created in 1988, is one of Spider-Man’s most popular villains. That’s sadly why said character was basically forcefully inserted into Spider-Man 3 against the wishes of director Sam Raimi back in 2007. We all know how that turned out, although it should be noted that the (slightly underrated) film still made $890 million worldwide which is still the biggest-grossing Spidey pic. Without getting into the whole issue of reboot/don’t reboot, I’m to this day astonished that Sony looked at a film that made $890m back in 2007 (in 2D of course) and decided that they had to start over.

    Anyway, the film will presumably be intended to kick off a franchise, as all films (including The Oogieloves and the Big Balloon Adventure) are these days. And at the moment, the character is personified by Flash Thompson who works for the government and uses the suit to occasionally not-terrible purposes (it’s a little complicated, but it involves the Guardians of the Galaxy and a Spider-Man who is possessed by Dr. Octopus and what-have-you). This film won’t have any hard connection to Spider-Man, which is frankly the problem. Venom as a character is mostly popular to general audiences due to its relationship with Spider-Man.

    Yes, his comic book persona has evolved a bit, but general audiences still know him as the end result of Eddie Brock getting taken over by a malevolent alien symbiote. He’s basically a “cool” evil version of Spider-Man. This isn’t merely a matter of introducing characters who are mostly unknown to the public (think Walt Disney’s Guardians of the Galaxy). This is a matter of introducing well-known characters but in an environment and in a role that will be contradictory to how most perceive said character, and absent any connection to the Spider-Man mythos. And in terms of making a stand-alone film around a character whose popularity is tied into a bigger character in a film that doesn’t take place in that same world, we’ve seen how that goes. It goes badly.

    Even spin-off films that somewhat acknowledged the world in which they were introduced, by Supergirl and Elektra, weren’t remotely successful, although in those cases you can partially blame the quality of the final product. In terms of spin-offs that are based on a supporting character yet exist in a cinematic world wholly disconnected from that character, well, we’ve got Halle Berry’s Catwoman and Shaquille O’Neal’s Steel for evidence on that mini-90′s trend. Catwoman was a $100 million disaster that earned just $82m worldwide back in 2004. Steel, which was a mostly original story that had little to do with the source material (one of several replacement Supermen that took up the mantle after the Man of Steel perished back in 1993), earned just $1.7m on a $16m budget.

    Both were lousy movies and both were rooted in the idea that, since Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc. couldn’t yet reboot Superman and/or were in the middle of making Batman Begins, audiences would flock to a stand-alone spin-off based on a secondary character but altered so as to remove any reference to said comic book world. Even if you argue that Sony is going for their own R-rated anti-hero comic book franchise in the wake of Deadpool, Venom’s popularity is mostly tied into his role as a Spider-Man villain and Venom is a much darker, grittier, and “less fun” character than Wade Wilson.

    I don’t mean to be this pessimistic this early in the game. But this was a bad idea back in 2014 and it remains a bad idea today. Venom may be well known as a Spidey antagonist, but he is not terribly popular as a stand-alone character among general audiences. Moreover, we have seen variations of this “stand-alone spin-off sans connection to the characters we really like” spin-off before, and they have basically never worked. Of course, who is to say that this movie will ever actually get made, although for the record I hope Sony pulls itself back from this specific abyss. Because the only thing worse than not having enough franchises is having poor franchises.
     
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    disagree.... I see Venom much like I see the Blade movies.... and most people didn't know who the fuck the Guardians of the Galaxy were
     
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    Will Topher Grace be reprising this role? That's really all we care about
     
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    I have met Brock in real life... he is truly a pissed off scary roid motherfucker
     
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    you shut your up!!

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    If I ever saw him walking down the street toward me I would sprint in the other direction
     
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    A Flash Thompson Venom movie is something I'd watch.
     
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    It is painful to watch Sony flailing and making one horrible decision after another. They are fucking clueless.
     
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    So it's not a movie about these guys?

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    Yet he couldn't make the Minnesota Vikings practice squad


    I always wondered if real athletes fought in the UFC. JJ Watt would rape 2-3 of these guys at the same time
     
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    I'm looking forward to not seeing that.
     
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    met him only once.. it was back stage at wrestle mania in New Orleans.... he was walking around super pissed off
    don't know why.. he had just finished practicing with the asshole he suppose to pretend with
     
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    that is awesome
     
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    Why not make an R-Rated Spider Man movie with Venom? That's how Todd McFarlane became famous and Marvel sold a bajillion comic books in the 80's plus Deadpool made all that money just fucking do it
     
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    venom has to be R
     
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