What the new UK flag will look like once Scotland becomes independent…

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  1. NotMyBro

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    Heh, looks like Scotland's movement to become independent is gaining steam and they might pull it off! Once that happens, UK will need to change their flag :c

    http://www.creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2014/august/what-the-fuk

    On September 18, Scotland will hold a vote on independence which could herald the break-up of the UK as we know it. If the Scots vote yes, will the UK need a new flag? If so, what would it look like? Atelier Works' Quentin Newark and Kevin Denoual have some suggestions

    If the vote for independence is successful, we will no longer be a United Kingdom, they write. Although the legal position is unclear, the worst aspect of this may be that we can no longer legally be known as such, so if there is no immediate back-up idea, just like the Former Yugoslavia, we might become the Former United Kingdom. Or fUK.

    And it is possible that the Union Flag of the UK, created in 1707, to symbolise the "United Kingdom of Great Britain" will have to go.



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    The Union Jack (above), as the flag is colloquially known, is an amalgam of the flags of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland. In the sequence we show here: Scotland's saltire of St Andrew, England's cross of St George, and Northern Ireland's saltire of St Patrick. Wales ... simply doesn't exist. The two saltires have been made thinner so they don't cancel one another out, hence all that geometric complexity.



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    Although David Cameron calls the UK "countries within a country" the countries are not equal. England is a kingdom, Wales was a Principality, with Prince Charles as its Prince [In 2012 the ISO officially redesignated Wales as a country], and Northern Ireland is described variously as a "province" and a "territory". Somehow Wales fails to appear in any form on the flag, Ireland gets thinned out, and Scotland trumped by the big red cross of St George. Back in 1707, the other kingdom, Scotland was profoundly unhappy, and produced their own design with the white saltire dominant, which they cleverly wanted to use north of the border.

    Design one: Three countries in one

    The simplest - and least imaginative - solution to Scotland disuniting, is simply to lift the saltire of St Andrew out of the flag. So just two red crosses. Quite nice. But wait, where is Wales? Where was Wales in the Union Jack? Why didn't they have an alternative version of the Union Jack that they presented to Queen Anne in 1707?

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    Our first design uses the cross of St George, and adds emblems from the flags of Northern Ireland and Wales. (The Red Hand of Ulster [dates back into the mists of time] and the Red Dragon of Wales [dates back to at least 800AD].) The great advantage of this flag is that for the first time, it represents the actual number of countries. Three. Wales gets a showing.

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    I have a friend in Scotland and she says, she'll believe it when she sees it
     
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    Agreed. Scotland is going nowhere.
     
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    The new flag of England will have a Red Crescent on it somewhere.

    diversity is their strength, the should embrace the culture of their growing Muslim minority.
    Without diversity where will any country be??
     
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    I can never remember the difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom. I think it has to do with taking bangers in their mash.
     
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    The entire British Isles should break away from London.
     
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    England already has a flag
    See they're English when it suits them
     
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    Scotland will never vote to leave the UK. And good for them in being smart. Scotland doesn't have NEARLY a strong enough economy to survive on their own in the manner they are used to. They want to rely on whiskey, travel and north sea oil. The first two of those are tiny industries compared to the last, which is dropping fast.

    The biggest reason most of those in favor of leaving the union have is being envious of the success of the English. Fact.
     
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    no worries. this'll be their flag soon. thanks labor. :nojj:

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    Hmmm, sounds like Northern California. They want to secede from the rest of California and form their own state with southern Oregon. Meanwhile the only industry that ever existed out there was logging, which is just about gone, and WEED, which is much less profitable with quasi-legalization in Cali. Not to mention much of their population is consequently living off fed money, but hey...let's SECEDE, and become the Mississipi of the west coast? I don't get it.
     
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    And they will finally be at peace because of their embrace of amazing non judgemental diversity.
     
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    i hear ya. but it depends on how and where they split the central valley. that's an agricultural cash cow which produces almost 10% of the entire nation's produce. plus, there's much more water up here and southern californians are mostly complete assholes. :dontknow:
     
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    you know what's sad? some smug cunts in england truly believe that. :jj:
     
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    I live in what is called Northern California. Why it is called that I do not know. But there is about 400 miles between me and the Oregon border. Never heard of such a thing, we want nothing to do with Oregon. BUt would rather have them than So-Cal.
     
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    While the referendum #s remain to be seen, obviously, EVERYTHING else you say is plainly wrong-- congratulations!!

    Rather than bothering with facts you willfully ignore, if what you say is even vaguely "true," why the fuck would the Limeys give a shit? Imperial ego? Isn't licking Margaret Thatchet's wormholed saggy ass enough?

    Scotland has been gettting the shaft from Westminster forever; Holyrood was a conciliatory gesture but not nearly enough and Scotland has more than enough resources to maintain their current economic so-so-ness and with better policies etc, might be able to thrive in a manner which the majoritu of people approve.

    Or should every other small sovereign nation give up their independence also just to satisfy Tory scumbags & the ghost of monarchy?
     
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    I was referring specifically to the "State of Jefferson" proposal, which most of California sees as a joke but which is taken dead seriously by many far-Northern California residents.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)

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    Darker areas show the State of Jefferson, as proposed by Gilbert Gable in 1941. Modern versions of the movement usually include the lighter areas as well.
     
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    I'm not wrong. I know exactly what I am talking about. Do you live there? Or are you one of those douchbags who is "Scottish" because his great grandfather was born there, and some day he hopes to visit his "homeland"?

    The people who want independence have no economic case for it - it's nothing more than an expression of their inferiority complex towards the English. The people in the SNP make a whole lot of assumptions to sell the idea of Scottish independence, like being able to continue a currency union (which would make them subject to the BoE and English fiscal policy - something the SNP explicitly says it wants to get away from). The SNP also think they will be able to easily get into the EU (not true), and I've even heard kooky talk of joining NATO - NATO being a nuclear alliance and the SNP wanting to neuter (aka totally eliminate) Scotland's nuclear abilities. Meanwhile, the plan is to increase welfare spending, cut military spending to the point where Scotland can't even provide for it's own defense beyond patrolling the coast and North Sea. If you discount the oil incomes, the gap between spending and tax revenues is already larger in Scotland than Ireland or Greece's gap. Look at the North Sea oil revenues - they have dropped by by over 65% since their peak, and they are continuing to fall. That ship has sailed, and it ain't coming back. Not to mention an aging population and less and less people working compared to the # of people living off the government, and Scotlan's economic future is pretty grim. Scotland *needs* the alliance with England to head off this looming disaster. England brings tons of benefits to the table, finance, trade, government and so much more. Scotland thinking they can go independent and be better off is like a kid who lives at his parents home thinking he would be better off not having to listen to his parents and just lived alone... but he doesn't think about the fact that he'd have to pay a mortgage, and taxes, and car insurance, and food, and medical insurance, and clothing and everything else.

    But none of that matters - because the dopey Scots who are envious of the English are going to LOSE the vote. Don't give me that "the numbers remain to be seen" shit. Have you been watching the polls? There hasn't been a single poll showing a favorable vote or independence in the past year. The NO's have it by 5 to 20%, depending on which poll you look at. And out of dozens and dozens of polls in the past 3 years, only a couple ever had the YES side winning, and in every case it was by 1% or less, which was well inside the margin of error.

    The vote is NO. Deal with it, and stop being so envious of the English.