News Why is it a big deal that Cleveland billed Tamir Rice's parents for the ambulance ride?

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  1. Shivvy

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    Cleveland bills Tamir Rice's family for ambulance ride after cop shot him


     
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    i mean, he was shot and had to be taken to the hospital. isnt it standard to get a bill for that? :scratch:
     
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    Fifteen months after 12-year-old Tamir Rice was shot and killed by a Cleveland police officer, the city has filed a claim against his estate for the cost of his ambulance ride to the hospital.

    The creditor’s claim, filed in Cuyahoga County Probate Court on Wednesday, states that Tamir’s estate is overdue on a $500 payment for “emergency medical services rendered as the decedent’s last dying expense.”

    The attached invoice notes requests $450 for “ambulance advance life support” and $50 for mileage.

    [The Washington Post’s police shooting project]

    Tamir was fatally shot by Officer Timothy Loehmann at an outdoor recreation center on Nov. 22, 2014. Loehmann and his partner, Officer Frank Garmback, were responding to a call about a man with a gun. They pulled up in front of Tamir seconds before Loehmann stepped out of the police car and opened fire.

    The officers said Tamir appeared to be reaching into his waistband for a gun in the moments leading up to his being shot. In fact, the weapon was a toy.

    “The Rice family is disturbed by the city’s behavior,” Subodh Chandra, an attorney for the family, wrote in an email to The Washington Post about the creditor’s claim. “The callousness, insensitivity, and poor judgment required for the city to send a bill — its own police officers having slain 12-year-old Tamir — is breathtaking.”

    He said the act “added insult to homicide.”

    Jonathan Abady, the family’s lead counsel on a wrongful-death lawsuit against the city, said in a phone interview with The Washington Post that the claim is “mystifying.”

    “This is obviously a deliberate, considered action by the city of Cleveland; it required a formal court filing,” he said.

    A grand jury’s decision not to indict the officers in December prompted protesters to call for a federal investigation into the shooting and for the resignation of Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy J. McGinty.

    In his announcement, McGinty said enhanced surveillance video made it “undisputably clear” that Tamir was reaching for something “indistinguishable” from a real gun.

    The case fueled ongoing controversy about police shootings and racial profiling: Tamir died days before unrest erupted in response to the non-indictment of officers involved in the deaths of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., and Eric Garner in New York, two unarmed African American men.

    [Calls for calm after grand jury declines to indict officers in death of Tamir Rice]

    Tamir’s family alleges in the suit that officers Loehmann and Garmback did not attempt to resuscitate or administer first aid to the boy after he was wounded. Instead, the suit claims, they tackled and handcuffed Tamir’s distraught 14-year-old sister and placed her in the back of the police cruiser.

    Tamir succumbed to his injuries in the hospital the next day.

    The police officers maintained in signed statements that Tamir appeared to be much older than his age. McGinty was criticized for releasing these statements and other pieces of evidence to the news media, which family members viewed the move as a show of support for the officers.

    “Prosecutor McGinty deliberately sabotaged the case, never advocating for my son, and acting like the police officers’ defense attorney,” Tamir’s mother, Samaria Rice, said in a statement following the grand jury decision.

    The city’s creditor’s claim asks the family to pay the $500 ambulance fee by March 11.
     
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    Imagine if they refused to transport because they thought the parents wouldnt pay the bill.

    Then there would be even more unrest going on.
     
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    They made a blaek ride in the back again.
    :bigcry:
     
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    No free rides. Fuck you.
     
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    I don't know that the officers involved did anything wrong, but regardless, given the media publicity surrounding this case, sending the parents of the dead boy a bill for the ambulance seems a little tone deaf at this juncture. At least wait until the case against the officers is properly adjudicated.
     
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    cant let public outcry dictate what goes on
     
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    Isn't the ambulance company a privately held entity? :scratch:
     
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    Everybody who gets an ambulance ride gets the same bill. They aren't picking on him. He's just another name in the computer. Dead or alive.
     
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    correct
     
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    so getting shot by a cop entitles you to free ambulance rides, civil lawsuits seeing millions, and fame. nice
     
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    Well, this appears to be a claim that's been filed with the court due to nonpayment of the original bill. I'm fairly certain the original bill was processed more or less automatically. This court filing, though, probably had a higher degree of human interaction.

    Nevertheless, rereading the article, I now see that the officers have been cleared of any wrongdoing by the DA. So yeah, it's time for the parents to pay up.
     
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    i agree
     
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    As someone that lives in Cleveland I can tell you that almost everyone is tired of hearing from his Mother. She was a horrible mother who had an arrest record as long as a football field and is looking for a payday.

    Tamir is just a payday. She will keep bitching until she gets what she is "entitled" to.
     
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    My ex fainted in a Drs office once. She was charged $750 to get taken out of one hospital building and across the parking lot into the ER.
     
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    no public outcry :grad:
     
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    The way it works around here is that the bill is issued by the county rather than the hospital.
    That might have something to do with why they are going after their $500 no matter what.
    You gotta pay the government.
    I'm pretty sure that in most cases the ambulance ride is covered by your insurance. If you have it.
     
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